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  1. There are certain religions that try to get people who are in difficult situations — poverty, domestic abuse, a single parent — to come to their place of worship. I think it’s those people who don’t know where to turn to make sense of life who can easily be persuaded to get involved in a group that makes no sense. However, I don’t get a good feeling for who the victims of this cult are. Were they similar in their backgrounds, education, something? If not, then I’m not sure what’s up with people.

    1. It’s hard to say with this cult, becasue many of the women were powerful in their own right, accountants, lawyers, good-looking, well-to-do, it must have been an emotional connection they were lacking. Which perhaps explains their willingness to all sleep with the leader…yuck

    2. My mom and I got into a conversation about your book review this weekend and what kinds of women would get drawn into a cult. Then, we were surfing the internet because I couldn’t think of the name of the guy who had all the wives and was also sleeping with his own daughters and they were in the desert. Sooooo many cults out there, but none sounded right! Then, I found him: the guy from Under The Banner of Heaven.

  2. I’ve heard a little about this cult – I think one woman who was a victim wrote a book about her experiences? I know what you mean when you say it’s easy to fall into victim-blaming, or wondering how this totally average guy could seduce so many people. It’s sad that cults prey on those looking for connection and care and seem to provide it for a while.

    1. The whole premise of this cult seems so odd, yet, it was incredibly popular, so I can’t really blame the people either. It took them awhile to realize they were being duped, but at least some women blew the whistle before it was too late

  3. Does this book talk at all about the other side of this structure, the organization designed to “improve” men? NXIVM appears to be openly misogynistic, while the same “methods” existed in the men’s “community” too. I can’t remember what it was called and I don’t know how/whether that was scrutinized after the women came forward for this case, that’s been in the news, but I think it’s important to note that it wasn’t created for women but enlarged to include them.

    Which obviously many celebrated as being inclusionary. And the executive in this group was all female. A lot of the pain took place outside the leader’s arena, with many members never meeting or spending any time with him. Somehow it’s easier to accept that a man could do this, but we squirm at the idea that women profited from and celebrated this too. I believe he was the sole leader of the men’s group, but NXIVM was cofounded with a woman (a nurse, I think)?

    Now these women (and not only execs) have to deal with whatever trauma they personally suffered, but also find a way to accept responsibility for having shifted that balance, for physical branding (!!) other women, for demeaning and humiliating them as well. Scary stuff.

    1. It talks a bit about the men’s side, but it was really a development course for both genders. Women in particular seemed to be most at risk because they were expected to be physically available to Raniere, and he manipulated them the most. Whereas the men that were higher up in the organization claimed ignorance for a long time, while the women seemed mostly aware of what was going on. The dangerous sex slave offshoot of the program only included women, which is I believe where most of the charges were laid.

  4. I only vaguely remember hearing about this. This kind of stuff is so hard to get my head around – how can a person be so convincing?! What goes on inside everyone’s heads?? So scary.

    1. I think that’s what so scary about it actually, because it’s so hard to understand from ‘the outside’

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